Jon Willis - what more need he do?

[fenderstrat]

Gold last month at Kish, and 10th in Lisbon. Must surely be in the low 20s now, world ranking.

Have any funded epeeists come close to this, excellent athletes though they are? What exactly is the position here?

I does seem increasingly odd that JW is neither funded nor on the team.

Would all neg reppers kindly leave their name? Ta muchly.

[Red]

23rd. Very quick and easy to check - surprised that you clearly couldn't be bothered to do so

[fenderstrat]

Thank you, Red.

23rd, eh? They're clearly quick off the mark updating. Jolly good.

[fenderstrat]

I just had a quick look at the rankings on the FIE site, which is frustratingly slow. Jonny 23, Tom C 99 .... and I lost the will to live after that because the pages load so slowly.

I have heard that funded athletes are way down the list though. So... what more does Jon have to do?

I only ask for information.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by fenderstrat

I just had a quick look at the rankings on the FIE site, which is frustratingly slow. Jonny 23, Tom C 99 .... and I lost the will to live after that because the pages load so slowly.

You can do the search just selecting British athletes.

British Men's Epeeists with FIE points:

23 86 WILLIS Jonathan
99 24 CADMAN Thomas
145 14 TAYLOR James
377 2 GREGORY David
382 2 MELIA Jamie E
416 2 PERRY Nicholas
419 2 THORNTON James

The first number is their rank, the second number is their current number of FIE points. I have no clue who is funded, so one would have to provide that information independently to check where those fencers stand.

-B

[fenderstrat]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

You can do the search just selecting British athletes.


The first number is their rank, the second number is their current number of FIE points. I have no clue who is funded, so one would have to provide that information independently to check where those fencers stand.

-B

I'm not that bothered about who is funded per se, though I'd be quite interested to know, but I am bothered that JW is not.

[Keith.A.Smith]

Jon is funded by the Epee Club at present and I am sure that these good and I hope continuing, international results will help his case with UKS.

Keith

[fenderstrat]

Originally Posted by Keith.A.Smith

Jon is funded by the Epee Club at present

Keith

Good for them. Does this allow him to be a full-time athlete?

[Keith.A.Smith]

AS a member of the Epee Club I am pleased that the club can offer some financial assistance. I am sure UKS will review the position.

Keith

[MrsB]

What is the Epee Club? I haven't heard of it before.

[Highlander]

Originally Posted by Keith.A.Smith

AS a member of the Epee Club I am pleased that the club can offer some financial assistance. I am sure UKS will review the position.

Keith

Keith are you saying it's UKS that has made the decision not to fund Jon Willis?

[cesh_fencing]

I suspect that with the recent announcement that Mens Epee was not going to have a team event at London 2012, that funding for the actual mens epee team would have been cut and re-directed towards weapons with team events at 2012.

As an individual JW has been doing really well and I suspect his funding position will be looked at when the next funding rounds are done, however these I understand are done on a yearly or 6 monthly basis, so that decision would only be looked at once the next funding dates come around. I do not know when that is.

Keith is probably not in a position to comment on any specific issues regarding the status of future funding for JW, through UKS, due to his official capacity within BF.

It is great however that the Epee Club is supporting Jon with his European World Cup campaign this year.

[Mr_E]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

You can do the search just selecting British athletes.

British Men's Epeeists with FIE points:

23 86 WILLIS Jonathan
99 24 CADMAN Thomas
145 14 TAYLOR James
377 2 GREGORY David
382 2 MELIA Jamie E
416 2 PERRY Nicholas
419 2 THORNTON James


-B

tomas bennett is funded no? please keith can you confirm this?

what is his world ranking? he is not in list above?

[fenderstrat]

Originally Posted by Keith.A.Smith

AS a member of the Epee Club I am pleased that the club can offer some financial assistance. I am sure UKS will review the position.

Keith

I take that as excellent and encouraging news. I'm sure you realise, Keith, the effect that the reinstatement of pour top epeeist will have on our young fencers. Good man.

[fenderstrat]

Originally Posted by Highlander

Keith are you saying it's UKS that has made the decision not to fund Jon Willis?

Oh - I hadn't spotted that. Surely not?

[PM1]

IF it were UKS who made the decision who to fund and who not to fund, it would be on the basis of info given to them by the sporting NGB.

[Highlander]

Originally Posted by Keith.A.Smith

Jon is funded by the Epee Club at present and I am sure that these good and I hope continuing, international results will help his case with UKS.

Keith

Originally Posted by Keith.A.Smith
AS a member of the Epee Club I am pleased that the club can offer some financial assistance. I am sure UKS will review the position.

Keith

Keith you have twice posted on this thread saying "I'm sure UKS will review the position " And " will help his case with UKS"

will you please confirm it's their decision not to fund Jon Willis.

[Highlander]

Sorry Keith last bit of previous post should read ;

please confirm it's UKS decision not to fund Jon Willis

[Baldric]

Originally Posted by Highlander

Originally Posted by Keith.A.Smith

Keith

Keith you have twice posted on this thread saying "I'm sure UKS will review the position " And " will help his case with UKS"

will you please confirm it's their decision not to fund Jon Willis.

I don't want to put words into Keith's mouth, but I don't think it is quite as simple as that. It never is with grant funding.

My understanding is that UKS make a grant award, along with some guidelines and expectations, and then monitor how the NGB allocate it, and what results are being attained. The NGB performance director has to report back to UKS regularly, and in some detail. UKS then "mark the homework" and respond with questions and suggestions.

Some questions can be very pointed and whilst the "suggestions" don't quite have the force of an instruction, it is a wise performance director who heeds both the text and the sub-text if he wants continued funding.

It is a difficult line for the PD to walk, and I don't envy him the job. It's very easy to criticise on the forum without knowing all the facts.

[Highlander]

Originally Posted by Baldric

I don't want to put words into Keith's mouth, but I don't think it is quite as simple as that. It never is with grant funding.

My understanding is that UKS make a grant award, along with some guidelines and expectations, and then monitor how the NGB allocate it, and what results are being attained. The NGB performance director has to report back to UKS regularly, and in some detail. UKS then "mark the homework" and respond with questions and suggestions.

Some questions can be very pointed and whilst the "suggestions" don't quite have the force of an instruction, it is a wise performance director who heeds both the text and the sub-text if he wants continued funding.

It is a difficult line for the PD to walk, and I don't envy him the job. It's very easy to criticise on the forum without knowing all the facts.

Baldric

while I appreciate your post, I would like a response from Keith ( who made the postings which imply that the decision is with UKS.

If what your saying is true that the PD (Graham watts) infact made the decision not to fund Jon Willis, then why did Keith post what he did!

Keith
Over to you

who made the decision?